Culture is set at the top, and it allows and flows through to the bottom. So if you have a culture where the leaders actually role model and practice what they preach to some extent, then you have that, I guess, ripple down effect, that allows that connection and trust. And what I mean by that, I think fundamentally, and this is leadership one zero one, but fundamentally and it goes for everybody to to some extent. It's being true to what you say. It's also not assuming credit for other people's work.
Cate Page:And the third part of that is also being really, really accountable for your own issues and mistakes. If you role model those three things, then that makes and allows trust possible because you're actually coming across with integrity, and you're coming across as a real person, and that's what people are drawn to and connect. So leadership and organisational culture that actually do does those three things really creates an environment where people can have conversations when they most need them.